“Title Here”

(episode 13)

[cheery theme music, mainly ukulele with a shaker in the background and whistling in the coda ]

Jamie: It's The Broadly Entertaining Podcast for all the femme broads, them broads, and dude broads out there. I am Jamie.

Giana: And I am Giana. We're recording toward the end of Pride Month. Yay! And the beginning of summer. So let's kick it off with some good hot news.

Jamie: Ooh, hot news.

Giana: Hot news!

Jamie: Yes. I assume you are not talking about the record breaking heat that I have been sweltering in.

Giana: Oh, Jesus god, no. That is not at all that, that's not good news at all for me. You know exactly how I feel about sweating.

Jamie: I do. You don't like it.

Giana: I really don't like it. So, um, no, I am not talking about, um, uh, I am— Okay, well hold on. Just to start over there.

I am talking about building on our second podcast season's theme of being in our expert era by sharing personal updates and fun facts from our respective corners of the country.

Jamie: Oh, yes, that does sound fun. A lot more fun than sweating. Let's do that.

[they laugh]

Giana: Yes! Yeah! Um, I, I have like, I have two little shorties.

Uh, one is I kind of want to shout us out. I feel like lately you and I have reached this place where we are so unapologetic about our pricing, unlike we have been yet in our career. And it's, it's really great. I feel like we're really starting to get to a place where we're like, Nope, this is just how I feel. This is how much it costs for me to want to do this or to be able to, or whatever.

Jamie: Mm-hmm.

Giana: And it's, uh, it's feeling good, 'cause you hear about that advice a lot when you're getting started. “Don't apologize for your pricing.” And we've been told that, and we've said it out loud to ourselves, but I feel like it's finally settling into that place a little bit more, which is, um, anyway, just a small little shout out to us—

Jamie: Yeah!

Giana: —in our expert era. Also, this is kind of on the other side of things, just like a little piece of advice from an expert. Please always have a rain plan, friends. Always, always have a rain plan. Um, especially if you're hiring us in the New York area.

We've— you know, I just did a wedding where we had to move it inside and just move it into the space. And it was fine and cozy and great, but there was a plan and it was executed and it was great. Same with um— so that's one way to deal with it, like, have a plan for a nearby indoor space.

Another way is, another client of ours, we were having rain and thunderstorms and they decided to do the rain date option. They chose a rain date about a month away and just let everybody know that is what it is, you know? So there's a plan. So it could be choosing rain dates, it could be going inside, it could just be tents, whatever it is. Just have a rain plan. That's all.

And also just side note, same for extreme heat. Have an extreme heat plan. Nobody needs to stay outside for, especially for weddings. These are hours and hours long of not just your guests, but your vendors. I mean, Colin was DJing wedding with the sun on his back for, I don't even know how many hours from ceremony to the end of the party, which they contracted us to stay another hour for. It was a long day.

So just think about that in extreme heat. Have a plan for that, too.

Jamie: Yeah. Absolutely. Um, unrelated before I share, you said with the sun on his back, and I heard with his son on his back, and for a second I was like, is this a story from when Colin's kid was a kid or did he like, piggyback his young adult man son— [laughing]

Giana: Who's taller than him by a lot. Like— [laughing] Why is Zach on your back?

Jamie: You mean the center of our solar system.

Giana: That is what I meant. Yeah. Correct. Yes. Yep, yep. Yep.

Jamie: Yes. Yeah, good note. I officiated a wedding yesterday in extreme heat, and the ceremony was outdoors and it was a very, very short ceremony.

Giana: Yes, yes.

Jamie: Um, but also the venue itself, no air conditioning, just sort of an open barn situation. They had fans, but, real hot. Real hot.

Giana: Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie: Um, yay! So my share, my fun share, I don't know if this is exactly what we had in mind for this, but thinking about our expert era, and how it also feels like our exploration era and our expansion era, and maybe this kind of plays off what you were saying about us being more confident about what we're charging, is that we're also more confident in our abilities and our experience to be able to say, we can take that and expand it into these other realms, or expand it into things that we, perhaps in the past wouldn't have felt super confident about. Maybe we would have put on a face, but we wouldn't have really felt confident about it.

And I, yeah, I think we're just— our confidence is growing and, uh, which hopefully is sort of a never ending journey, right? Just like you can never reach perfection. There's always room for improvement.

Giana: Oh yeah.

Jamie: There's always room to feel a little better about yourself! And I think we're doing that and that's great. And I was thinking of it in the context of this podcast, too. We came in and we were like, Experts! And then we're like, actually, we're going to try a lot of different things now from episode to episode.

Giana: Yeah.

Jamie: But I think that's part of being an expert, is being willing to explore and expand and trust that journey.

Giana: Mm-hmm. Absolutely. And I mean, you gotta do— you gotta shake things up all the time. You gotta shake things up. How do you find new stuff? Like if there's growth involved, all these things.

Jamie: Sure! Not everyone running a business has ADHD. They don't always need to change things up—

[they laugh; Giana sings a would-be ukulele melody]

Giana: I know that's true, we’ve been—

Jamie: —but it works for us.

Giana: We've been like six businesses, but, you know, all under the same umbrella. All under the same, the same idea. And I think a lot of that stemming from our theater backgrounds, which is great. I don't know, it rounds out the experience. Like we understand a lot of sides of things and, anyway, go us.

Jamie: Yeah. And as much as we have changed, you know, the depth that we offer of one service as opposed to another as we have figured out more what we enjoy, as we have had to change with the pandemic years and everything that that has meant, everything does still tie back to where we started, you know?

Giana: Yeah, that's true. We were always open to do just about anything. We're like, yeah, are you gathering with people? Let's help you do that. No matter what that was, and it was, we were always just open. It just, we needed to find— the people needed to find us or we needed to find the people, the right people. And we've really rounded out a lot of our experiences. We always knew that we could provide the services that we have, but I think we've also gotten to a place where like, yeah, I think we've done almost all of the things we've said that we can do, you know?

Jamie: Mm-hmm.

Giana: —in varying capacities. Obviously we could always go bigger, we could go better, we can go more expensive, we can do all of these things, but almost everything we've set out from the beginning that we said we can do. I think we've been, we've been doing, which is great.

Jamie: Yeah. And we're getting better at all of them, too.

Giana: It's true.

Jamie: Yeah.

Giana: Master of None. [they laugh] Expert era.

Jamie: No. Master of all. [Giana laughs]

I know that sounded really evil.

Giana: It did.

Jamie: I do not want to take over the world. Should footnote that right there.

Giana: Yeah, Brain. I'm Pinky. You see, you guys?

Jamie: Oh!

Giana: She's brain. I'm Pinky.

Jamie: I get it! It flew over my head for a second, but I get it.

Giana: It wasn't— I probably could've found a better way to deliver it, but… you know.

Jamie: That's all right, man. Sometimes, uhhh, you can't in the moment.

[they laugh]

All right, well, speaking of things that we started as a business doing, we definitely started real games heavy, and we still do that and we still love that. And I think we should take a moment now for some mid-episode game time.

Giana: Guh guh guh game time!

[Jamie attempts an airhorn noise; Giana sings another ukulele jingle]

Jamie: Uh, yay. I'm proud of myself for making that sound effect the way I heard it in my head. That never comes out of my mouth the right way.

Giana: Congratulations.

Jamie: Expert era right there. Hey, it's the little things.

Giana: Wait till you hear it back on the recording though.

Jamie: Oh. Oh. Will that, are you telling me it'll be good or it'll be bad?

Giana: Who knows? Who knows?

Jamie: Okay.

Giana: Who knows?

Jamie: Touché. Uh, well, awesome, yes. Let's get our rhyme on! How about we do that? How about we get our rhyme on with one of our favorite improv warmups that's also a great road trip game. It is road trip season after all.

Giana: Ooh. Are you thinking of a word?

Jamie: I am thinking of a word! Two words, actually. I figure we each do a one syllable word and then a two syllable word, and whoever needs the fewest total guesses wins the glory.

Giana: And also, talking about going back to the beginning, this is like improv games that we learned together while doing improv, which is cool. So we like went back back to the beginning, beginning. I'm just saying.

Anyway, I'm in! But I'm going to add a little speed challenge, which we didn't do back at improv rehearsals, to help kind of keep things moving. If we take more than, let's say, like three seconds to come up with a query, we get a strike and then three strikes and you lose the round.

Jamie: Okay. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. It's a fair challenge.

Giana: I would, I would hope you would think that.

Jamie: And I believe in us, and I think we can play to the end without anyone losing a round for time disqualification.

Giana: I don't think so either. Do you think that we need to explain a little bit more about how the game is played or should we just kind of dive right in?

Jamie: You know, I think people will pick up pretty quickly. It's a word guessing game and it uses rhyming to make clues, so let's just dive right in.

Can I go first? I'll go first.

Giana: Yeah, you go first.

Jamie: I am thinking of a word that rhymes with bank.

Giana: Is it a military vehicle that's big and it's got those cool little rollie wheels and a guy on top?

Jamie: It's not a tank.

Giana: Is it those same people that drive those tanks, but sometimes when they stand in a line, there'll be two on the outside and they would be…

Jamie: it's not rank?

Giana: Oh. Uh, no.

Jamie: In rank.

Giana: Um, but if they're on either side of something, they would be… Eh. Uh, um, uh…

[Jamie laughs]

Oh! Is it when you get stabbed in prison?

Jamie: Oh, it's not shank. [laughs]

Giana: Is it… Um…

Jamie: Time ticking. Time ticking.

That's a strike! That's one strike, Giana.

Giana: Okay.

Jamie: I will say you're doing well by already going to the shared letter sounds. What's the phrase I'm looking for? Like, double letter beginnings of the word.

Giana: Oh…

Jamie: So there's a hint.

Giana: Okay. Um, is it what my brain did at the end of this round when I couldn't think of anything, my mind went…

Jamie: it is not blank.

Giana: Um, is it when you steal something from someone, it's kind of like a slang term when you…

Jamie: Gank? Is it gank or yank?

Giana: Yeah.

Jamie: It is neither gank nor yank, but I'm only gonna call that one turn 'cause I wasn't sure what word you were looking for.

Giana: Is it what a boat can do when it, uh, hits an iceberg?

Jamie: Oh, it is not sank. Past tense? It is not sank.

Giana: Is it when it is tall and skinny?

Jamie: It is not lank.

Giana: Um, um, uh…

Jamie: I did make my one syllable word difficult, just for what it's worth.

Giana: Okay. Um… Oh no!

I think this is over three seconds.

Jamie: That feels like a strike.

Giana: That feels like a strike.

Okay. I got one more. Okay. All right. Is it… when a person with a penis may masturbate, um, they may call it giving it a good, give it a good, uh…

Jamie: Still not yank.

Giana: No.

Jamie: Wank! Not wank. [Giana laughs] Gotcha. Gotcha. I had to turn my British mind on for a second.

Giana: Yeah, yeah. Is it the last name of the lady who made those cool folders in the nineties that were all colorful and…

Jamie: Oh, it is not Frank. It is not Frank. I did think you were going to some other lady's last name, though.

Giana: Ummm… Is it like, that comedian, last name Green or country Western singer, last name Williams?

Jamie: It is not Hank. It is not Hank. It could be an adjective in one context and somebody's last name in another.

Giana: It's not shank, huh?

[they laugh]

Jamie: Uh, no, but you're only one letter off.

Giana: Oh my god. Oh! Is it the military system of— No, you already said it's not rank. It's not tank. Oh god, I don't know if— I think I've, I think I've lost the round.

Giana: Damn it. Good one. Good one. Here's my one-syllable word. I'm thinking of a word and it rhymes with glue.

Jamie: Is it what a ghost says?

Giana: No, it is not boo.

Jamie: Is it what you do when you're trying to court someone and you throw them…?

Giana: Ooh, it is not woo.

Jamie: is it a primary color that's not red or yellow?

Giana: It is not blue.

Jamie: Is it something you wear on your feet?

Giana: No, it is not a shoe.

Jamie: Is it a thick soup, a wintertime soup?

Giana: No, not a stew.

Jamie: Uh… is it what I am? And my family? And their family before them?

Giana: Oh! Jew? Ish?

Jamie: Yeah.

Giana: No. [she laughs]

Jamie: Oh, is it a board game based on a murder mystery movie?

Giana: Oh, no, it's not clue.

Jamie: Uh, is it… the past tense of fly?

Giana: It is not flew.

Jamie: is it the number after one?

Giana: Nope, not two.

Jamie: Is it, uh… the past tense of grow?

Giana: No, it is not grew.

Jamie: Is it what you do with food in your mouth?

Giana: No it is not chew.

Jamie: Um, is it what a cow says?

Giana: Not moo.

Jamie: Is it when something's not old, but it's…

Giana: Not new.

Jamie: Uh… Is it everyone's most well-known Drag queen Paul comma…

Giana: Not Ru.

Jamie: Um… Is it what the British call the toilet?

Giana: Not the loo.

Jamie: Is it another word for a beer or how you make beer?

Giana: It is not brew.

Jamie: Is it what a wolf says?

Giana: It is not awoo.

[They laugh. Jamie demonstrates a small wolf howl.]

Jamie: Oh, gosh. Is it what a stereotypical, drunk young person shouts at a concert?

Giana: It's not wooooo.

Jamie: Is it where you can go see animals in captivity?

Giana: No. It is not a zoo.

Jamie: Is it… Is it like your group of friends, your posse, your…

Giana: Not a crew.

Jamie: Um… is it when you have a whole lot of things, you have so many, you just have a…

Giana: Slew?

Jamie: Mm-hmm.

Giana: No.

Jamie: Uh… oh man. Some words you can just rhyme so many words with.

Giana: Yeah.

Jamie: Is it the bear from A Jungle Book?

Giana: Oh no, it's not Baloo.

Jamie: Um, is it an uncommon laughter sound?

[Pause while Giana tries to figure out what Jamie means. Then Jamie says, “hoo hoo hoo” and they both break into big laughs before Jamie has the following realization]

Oh, or maybe I should say, what an owl says or a question word! [they laugh more]

That did not click.

Giana: No, it is not “hoo hoo hoo hoo”. [they laugh a little more]

Jamie: Oh! Is it a way that you can, uh… is it a kind of traffic that not everyone is allowed to take a certain street because you have to be going…

Giana: Through?

Jamie: Yeah.

Giana: It is not through traffic. No.

Jamie: Nor is it, I assume the homophone

Giana: Through. No.

Jamie: Right. Um, is it… Uh… um… Yeah, that's probably, that's a—

Giana: That's a one strike.

Jamie: That's a strike on that one. I'm just running through alphabet sounds and I can't think of any that I haven't used.

Giana: Go towards definitely the second half of the alphabet.

Jamie: Um… is it when you take a number two?

Giana: is it poo?

Jamie: Yeah.

Giana: No, it's not poo.

Jamie: No, it's not poo?

Giana: It's not. Sorry buddy. It's not poo. I wanted it to be poo for you.

Jamie: Oh! Is it not me, but…

Giana: No, it's not you. Sorry again.

Jamie: Oh. Um…

Giana: it's amazing how many of these there are.

Jamie: So many. Is it, uh, um, is it win— No, it's not pooh. But is it Winnie the Pooh's friends? Kanga and…

Giana: No, it's not Roo.

Jamie: Oh, I did Ru already. Yeah. Um… um… I don't know. I, uh… That—

Giana: Alright that's—

Jamie: I got 27 guesses and a strike.

Giana: I know. I know, I know, I know. But that's, that's your second strike. But you were, you were getting there. I heard you make the sound. You're so close.

Jamie: Oh, I did all those. I did stew. Oh no, I did stew and slew and shoe and— Oh, is it like when you vomit and it comes just—

Giana: Oh no, it's not—

Jamie: —flying out of you?

Giana: It's not spew, but you're getting closer. Stay right there.

Jamie: Um… Is it, is it when you have thrown things about?

Giana: Well, we did slew…

Jamie: Strew?

Giana: Oh, strew! No it is not strew.

Jamie: Uh… just really testing the edge of my vocabulary here.

Giana: No, you know this word.

Jamie: Uh… sh— sh— shpoo? That's not a word.

[they laugh]

Um.. I don't know!

Giana: Alright. We've both gotten each other, one to one here.

Jamie: Yeah.

Giana: The word is shrew.

Jamie: Shrew! Oooh! Taming of the Shrew.

Oh, we came in tough. We came in tough on that round.

Giana: …28, 29. You had 29 total guesses. That was a lot of guesses.

Jamie: That's a lot of guesses.

Giana: It was good. Yes.

Jamie: A lot of words.

Giana: Yeah, it was good.

Jamie: Yeah. That's another way to make it difficult, is a word that has just so many rhyming words.

Giana: Yeah, exactly. Now we'll see how this next round is gonna go.

Jamie: Yeah.

Giana: So we're tied up. Let's go two syllables. Let's see what you got.

Jamie: Okay. I'm thinking of a word that rhymes with stuffy.

Giana: Is it our friend, uh, trivia friend, last name, Marracco?

Jamie: It's not Muffy.

Giana: Is it how a bunny's tail might look?

Jamie: Oh, it's not fluffy.

Giana: Uh… is it, sometimes alcoholics will get this in their face where it's a little swollen. They look a little…

Jamie: It is puffy!

Giana: Oh!

Jamie: Yeah! You've got it on the third one.

Giana: Alright! Alright. I'm thinking of a two-syllable word and it rhymes with tater.

Jamie: Is it not a crocodile, but a…

Giana: It is not a gator.

Jamie: Is it what the gator says? They say, see you…

Giana: No, it is not later.

Jamie: Is it Darth?

Giana: Oh, it is not Vader.

Jamie: Uh, it rhymes with tater.

Giana: Mm-hmm.

Jamie: It's not like a really weird mispronunciation of H2O. Oh! But is it somebody standing… Is it like, a person who's going fishing and they're standing hip deep in the water and they're wearing their…

Giana: Oh, it is not a wader.

Jamie: Hmm. Oh, is it somebody who's like on the apps and they're swiping and they're swiping and they're swiping?

Giana: Uh… Oh, no, they're not a dater! [they laugh]

They're on the apps and they're swiping…

Jamie: Oh! Is it someone that you just gotta shake it off? Trolls on the internet coming after you.

Giana: Oh, the haters? No, it is not a hater.

Jamie: Oh. Is it somebody who leaves reviews, and they can leave one star or five stars?

Giana: Oh, no, it's not a rater.

Jamie: Alright, I mean, I'm out and I lost so…

[they laugh]

Giana: Later…. skater.

Jamie: Skater! Oh, skater.

Giana: I thought you were gonna get it after later. Because I knew— I was gonna do later and skater, and then I was like, no, no, no. That's like if I said, and it rhymes with later, I'd be like, skater! Like, I don't know. Maybe that's just me.

Jamie: That's not my brain. Well, well done Giana. Well done, you. Round of applause. Round of applause. Cue the cheering crowd.

[cheering crowd sound effect]

Giana: Yay.

Um, okay, so now it's just time. Let's wrap this up with some more of the good news variety. We had hot news earlier. Have some good news now. Um, it's time for BE a Feminist.

[Giana starts to whistle the BE a Feminist jingle, and then the actual jingle plays. Whistling, clapping, a tin-sounding percussion and a shaker coda]

Jamie: So I was listening to an episode of Reveal yesterday, the investigative journalism podcast, and they were doing a deep dive into things that are happening in public education in the state of Florida. Most specifically on things that have been happening at New College, which is a very small, very liberal, very honor student-focused institution. Also apparently super nerdy. The school motto was something that I think came out of Star Trek, which you would know and love. It has something to do with like, uh… I should totally have this handy leading. Leading the— is more— leading something is more than just responding… Does, does that ring any Star Trek bells for you?

Giana: Kinda, maybe. What's it, what college again? Sorry.

Jamie: New College. New College in Florida. Uh, and anyway—

Giana: Yeah.

Jamie: —their fascist governor and his folk have been coming in and they replaced people on the board of trustees and they are trying to replace the school mascot, and it's a whole thing, but one of the people that featured as an interviewee on this episode of Reveal was Angie Nixon, who is the Jacksonville, Florida representative in the Florida House of Representatives. And I just wanted to shout her out as someone who is currently in the political trenches and fighting for everyone, fighting for public education, fighting for the rights of the queer community, fighting for women, fighting for people of color. She is a Black woman herself, and she talks about her experience of being mistreated in the House of Representatives and not being given the credit that she deserves, and talks a little bit about, you know, why she believes DeSantis and them are doing what they're doing, and it was a really spot-on take.

It was a really interesting episode. If you have, you know, about an hour to give to it. But, Angie Nixon, shout you out. Thank you so much. You are doing great, great work. And politicians in general just get a lot of shit from people and I don't think that's fair 'cause there are people that are there for the people and for the right reasons, and she is definitely one of them.

Giana: Alright! Yeah! Um… so I am, I'm taking another, it's another shout out, but definitely a different kind of shout out in a way. I just was noticing a difference in the men around me recently, and I just kind of wanted to say it out loud that I've been noticing some things. I've been seeing a little bit of a shift and it's been in my immediate world and that doesn't mean that people that I know or people that I love very much and respect very much don't slip up and say say stupid shit or don't think things all the way through or from a woman's perspective—

Jamie: We all do.

Giana: —or from a queer person's perspective.

We all do. We all do. Um… but! I've just been noticing some like really great things and it first happened, I don't know, maybe a year or so ago. I had the term of weaponized incompetence was really hot on the social media scene. I was learning what it was myself, and I remember talking to Colin about it and I was like, this is how I use weaponized incompetence against you. I know that I am perfectly capable to get—We borrow the Perlmutters', our neighbor's lawnmower, right?

Jamie: Mm-hmm.

Giana: I'm capable of going to the Ming and opening up the storage container and pulling the fucking lawnmower out, and I'm capable. It's hard, but I can push it up the hill on the path up to our house. I've never really mowed a lawn before, so I'd probably have to YouTube some videos and figure out how to actually turn the thing on, but I bet it's not that— I mean, teenagers— I could fucking figure it out. I'm a capable person.

Jamie: Yes.

Giana: But I use my inexperience with the thing to be like, you should do it. Because I'm like, you're gonna do a better job than I am. I do this to you when it comes to mowing the lawn, and this is how I use it against you. And that's how I pitched the term to him.

And from there he got it and it was like, until there was a definition, until there was a term attached to it, I was just like, yeah, this is how I get out of doing the things I don't like to do.

Jamie: Mm-hmm.

Giana: As a sort of innocent, kind of just like, yeah, like this is what we all do to get out of things and not really thinking about the other side of it and what that means for the people around you.

Anyway, so that was where it kind of started and now I'm sort of seeing it sparked in other places in my life and some other, you know, men in my life. And it's kind of great. It's nice just to see some. Real tangible evidence that things are shifting right in front of me, which is great.

Jamie: That is great! I weaponize my incompetence in the kitchen.

Giana: We all do it. It's—

Jamie: We all do it.

Giana: It's a term that we could all relate to and all learn how to be better at for sure.

Jamie: I assume the context you were initially seeing it in, though, it was talking about like, housework and the division of chores, especially in hetero couples where women also are working full-time out of the house, but end up having to take on the giant's load of, you know, home care and childcare and all that kind of stuff.

Giana: Mm-hmm. And also like, you know, we were talking about this recently, too, and we both do it, but we have our own ways. But I am obsessive about the way that we maintain our relationships with people. I think a lot about, I do a lot of the emotional thought and labor. I think about that. And I overthink it a lot of times. I'll be completely honest with you, my anxiety takes over and I just overthink that shit.

And I'm, the older I get, the more I, like— I've been letting go of those types of things, but you know, it's still there. I think about it a lot and how relationships are preserved and, you know, when I borrow something from someone, on how I use that object versus how Colin may use an object. He has a lot more confidence with something. He's like, he's better. And I'm just like, I have to be very careful with this tool 'cause if I— and then everyone would be mad and it'd be terrible, and Colin's like, Hey, I'm going to use this too. If it does break, I will have to figure out how to either fix it or replace it. And that's just how that will be.

Jamie: Mm-hmm.

Giana: That's his thought process. My thought process is like, I'm gonna tiptoe through this whole, the whole thing.

Jamie: Mm-hmm.

Giana: But anyway, not saying one way is good or one way is bad, but one way is certainly a little more exhausting.

[they laugh]

Jamie: Sure. We humans really can exhaust ourselves. Yeah.

Giana: But, at the same time, sometimes that's the kind of thought and care that you need for certain situations, you know?

Jamie: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Great! Well, that's great. I will second that. There have definitely— over several years, but there has been kind of a peak in the last, the recent times, as things become more in the zeitgeist, things are more discussed more openly by more people, more people are accessing certain kinds of information. There has definitely been a change in the way, um, I will say, I think my brothers and my parents even, so like, talking from a gender perspective, talking from an age perspective.

And I will also say that, uh, I am lucky to have elder parents who are still willing to like, wrestle with new ideas. You know, sometimes it may be frustrating, but they're not— I mean, they're set in their ways in a lot of ways, but they are, you know, they're not trying to dehumanize people, I guess, is what it comes down to.

Giana: Right.

Jamie: So, yay! Good shout outs.

Giana: Yeah, good shout outs.

[bright ukulele chords]

Giana (cont’d): Friends, listeners, do you have an uplifting BE a Feminist shout out of your own? You could send us a voice memo or an email to BroadlyEntertaining [at] gmail [dot] com and we'll share it in a future episode.

Jamie: Thank you all for joining this episode of The Broadly Entertaining Podcast.

Giana: Visit the show notes for a transcript of this episode and links to our sources and services.

Jamie: The Broadly Entertaining Podcast is produced and hosted by us: Giana DeGeiso and Jamie Rosler of Broadly Entertaining. If words are involved, I probably had a hand in it.

Giana: And if music is involved, that was— most likely it was me. Thank you to Jessy Caron for her editing and audio mixing guidance.

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Jamie: Don't forget, you can hire us to host or plan your next party game night, or wedding. We're based in New York State, central Texas, or anywhere you've got an internet connection. Go to BroadlyEntertaining [dot] com to connect with us and learn more.

Giana: Talk to you again soon, friends. Buh-bye.

[ukulele outro music with a whistle coda reprise of the opening theme song, followed by an outtake]

Giana: [laughing] Could you, could you imagine if it was? Like, yep, that was it. It was “hoo hoo hoo hoo.” How'd you guess? I really thought I had you there.

Jamie: Oh my god, I’m crying.

Hoo.

See?!